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Real conversations for next gen leaders who want to build healthier ministries — not just bigger ones.

What This Podcast Is About

Ministry isn’t measured by attendance, aesthetics, or algorithms. Beyond the Numbers exists to help next gen leaders build ministries rooted in Scripture, health, identity, and longevity. Each episode blends real stories, practical wisdom, and honest conversations about what leadership really looks like behind the scenes.

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Voices From The Field: Matt Holcomb

Matt Holcomb opens up about loss, grief, and doubt—and how God has been redeeming his story through it all. His journey shows that pain isn’t the end of the story; it’s where God often begins a new one.

The Pain That Shaped Me

A raw, honest look at how a lifelong battle with Epidermolysis Bullosa Simplex shaped my identity—until God used that pain for purpose. This episode reminds you that your wounds don’t disqualify you; God can redeem every part of your story.

Betrayal In The Ministry

A raw, honest look at how a lifelong battle with Epidermolysis Bullosa Simplex shaped my identity—until God used that pain for purpose. This episode reminds you that your wounds don’t disqualify you; God can redeem every part of your story.

About The Host

Josh is a next gen pastor with 14 years of ministry experience across small, large, healthy, and toxic church cultures. His story—marked by healing, hardship, leadership, and God’s faithfulness—shapes the heart behind every episode.

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Real conversations for next gen leaders who want to build healthier ministries — not just bigger ones.

What This Podcast Is About

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About The Host

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